Comments on: The Central Valley Greenway – If a Greenway is full of Semi’s, is it still a Greenway? https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/ A Blog for Average People who LOVE to ride bikes! Tue, 27 Jun 2017 04:31:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Average Joe Cyclist https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/#comment-32600 Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:09:35 +0000 https://averagejoecyclist.com/?p=825#comment-32600 In reply to Joel.

Hey Joel, thank YOU for the response, I really appreciate it :)

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By: Joel https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/#comment-30737 Mon, 14 May 2012 03:52:13 +0000 https://averagejoecyclist.com/?p=825#comment-30737 Thank you for a wonderful resource for area cyclists, and extremely informative and entertaining writing.
Joel, Burnaby

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By: The Buzzer blog » Central Valley Greenway: an update from our planning team https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/#comment-458 Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:02:14 +0000 https://averagejoecyclist.com/?p=825#comment-458 […] asked our planning team for a response to two posts on his blog, Average Joe Cyclist ( here’s post 1 & post 2) where he sketches the successes and shortcomings of the Greenway. As our planning […]

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By: JoeAverage https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/#comment-386 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:36:10 +0000 https://averagejoecyclist.com/?p=825#comment-386 In reply to Jhenifer Pabillano @ TransLink.

Thank you Jnenifer! And my sincere thanks to Translink planning department as well. I am blown away by the comprehensive response, and by their ability to respond so positively to criticism – it takes a big person (or department) to do that!

I am also excited to hear of the plans in the pipeline to address the problems and make the CVG even better, as well as accessible for people from 8 to 80.

I appreciate that it “took years of dreaming and planning to get the CVG to the present point” – and I would say that despite being a work in progress, it is also a dream realized. I was at the inaugural ride, and I still use it whenever I can.

Please don’t get me wrong – despite my criticisms, I think it is one of the greatest cycling routes I have ever used. As I said on my blog, some parts are soaringly awesome! Personally I enjoy most of it (except Winston), but I would just like to see my mother and my kids able to share the joy.

To make sure that as many people as possible read this inspiring response, I am going to take the liberty of posting it, rather than leaving it to potentially be buried in the Comments.

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By: Jhenifer Pabillano @ TransLink https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/#comment-381 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:45:26 +0000 https://averagejoecyclist.com/?p=825#comment-381 Hi Joe,

As promised, here is the response from the planning department at TransLink! I will also post it on your blog in the comments.

The CVG was part of Transport Canada’s Urban Transportation Showcase Program, which wrapped up in March 2009 in accordance with the multi-agency funding agreement. There has been a fair bit of criticism on the Buzzer Blog about launching the CVG prematurely, while some segments were incomplete or built to an interim standard. We were obliged to launch it as close as possible to the federal project deadline of March 31, 2009, after six years of planning and project delivery, and held our opening celebration in June to correspond with Bike Week and the completion of the Winston Bridge, which provided important connections. We acknowledge that the some areas are constructed to a interim design standard, due to budget or other temporal challenges. The major achievement of the project was to deliver a functional CVG, and it has been a valuable facility for thousands of people since it was launched. TransLink values feedback and will share it with our partners. At this point each municipal partner is responsible for improvements along the CVG that will achieve the ultimate design standard. Again, now that the cities fully own and manage their sections of the CVG, comments should be directed to them.

Blog Part I: Downtown New Westminster to Winston

Signage. Compliments appreciated. We will aim for 100% consistency, and timely completion on the next facility. We will also recommend larger fonts for the yellow destination signs.
Jurisdiction: Cities

Columbia Street – downtown.
Average Joe Suggestion 1: separated path
It is quite true, this is a high traffic street and may not comfortable for a good many riders, particularly new or young riders. Downtown New Westminster was considered a CVG destination, and an enhanced cycling facility objective was considered in the context of multiple City objectives: downtown revitalization, aesthetic improvements, enhanced pedestrian environment, and traffic calming. The compromise was to remove two lanes of traffic and to implement back in angle parking, an innovation in this region, which is safer for cyclists than parallel parking and opened up more road space for cyclists.

The ultimate vision for New Westminster is a low level multi-use route running from Braid along the waterfront to the Quay which would provide a scenic, flat and comfortable separated route. It will take some years to acquire the necessary lands and resources to achieve the low level route, as most of it will be implemented as development occurs. This route is also identified in the Metro Vancouver Parks greenway network.
Jurisdiction: City of New Westminster.

Columbia Street – north east of Cumberland
Average Joe Suggestion 1: separated path

The original alignment for the CVG was routed along the Brunette River waterfront through the Sapperton industrial area. Because of serious budget deficiencies, technical challenges of crossing massive rail yard, and the need to meet the project completion deadline in 2009, the route between Hume Park and Cumberland was proposed by the City as an alternate which would provide a connection with the BC Parkway and the New West waterfront at the Quay. The choices were to work with Columbia Street, or stop the CVG at the Burnaby border. It is acknowledged that the on street portions of Columbia are busy and challenging to ride. Again, the low level route along the Brunette River in Sapperton, meeting up at Sapperton Landing (around Cumberland) is the optimal long term solution here.
Jurisdiction: City of New Westminster

North Road
Average Joe Suggestion 2: a solution requested
Exiting Hume Park and entering Burnaby, Columbia Street is actually named North Road. The City of Burnaby has identified the scope required to make a separated multi-use path here which requires path widening and a new bridge across the Brunette River. The New Westminster portion would consist of a multi-use path to the south of the Brunette River.
Jurisdiction: Cities of New Westminster and Burnaby

Brunette River Natural Area
Suggestion 3: lights
This corridor is owned by Metro Vancouver and managed by its Parks department. Metro Vancouver Parks has a policy of no lights in this area, for reasons of environmental sensitivity and because lights might create a false sense of security in this forested area which has limited visibility and surveillance at night.
Jurisdiction: Metro Vancouver Parks

Cariboo Road
The unfinished intersection at Government was problematic for over a year and a source of frustration to all. The City was waiting for the railroad to install panels to permit a level crossing of the tracks, which only they can do. This work was completed in September 2010.
Jurisdiction: City of Burnaby

Winston bicycle Lanes
Average Joe Suggestion 4 – separated path
The City of Burnaby’s long term plan is to replace the existing bicycle lanes on Winston with a separated multi-use trail (aka “Urban Trail” in Burnaby), exactly as per your Suggestion 4. This would make a huge difference to the quality of experience on the CVG east of Sperling for both cyclists and pedestrians. At present, there is no sidewalk on Winston and so the CVG pedestrian traffic is routed through Metro Vancouver’s Burnaby Lake Regional Park, which for the same reasons as the Brunette River Natural Area, has no lighting and is only open during daylight hours.
Jurisdiction:</b City of Burnaby and Metro Vancouver

The map – and suitability ratings.
TransLink notes the excerpted quote from the CVG Route Map: “Most sections are suitable for all kinds of walking and wheeling etc”. This is a really helpful comment on an oversight, and we will be making a note in the next map issue about the high traffic streets, noting they may be less comfortable for some riders. For the same reason, we distinguished between types of routes on the map.
Jurisdiction: TransLink

Blog Part 2: Winston overpass to Vancouver.

Douglas Road and Still Creek Drive to Gilmore

The City of Burnaby will be rebuilding Douglas Road, and Still Creek Drive all the way through to Costco in 2011/2012. It is acknowledged that the current interim route is unpleasant, and fortunately there is a quality solution in the near future for this section which will be a fully separated, multi-use path on the north side of Still Creek Drive and east side of Douglas Road. We are please to pass on the compliments on the rest area just close to the intersection of Still Creek Drive and Gilmore. The credit goes to the City of Burnaby.
Agency responsible: City of Burnaby

Great Northern Way
As you noted, the slope connecting Clark Drive with the False Creek Flats is steep and a challenge for cyclists. One reason for providing a path on both sides of Great Northern Way between Clark and Glen Drives is to give cyclists more space and choice. The original vision for the CVG was to provide a bridge connection for non-motorized users between the False Creek Flats and Clark Drive at the top of the escarpment. Unfortunately the bridge was unable to proceed as part of the project because of cost and time constraints. As for the driveways, it would be worth letting the City know of your concern and experiences there.
Agency responsible: City of Vancouver

Safe cycling for everyone?

Your observation that the point of view of seniors and/or kids is key in assessing bike routes is very valid. It echoes the philosophy of Gil Penalosa of Bogotá, Columbia, who heads an organization called 8 to 80 Cities which urges leaders to ..”make decisions about our built environment based on what would be good for an 8 year old and an 80 year old which would result in great cities for all”. ”. Through TransLink’s Bicycle Working Group, a forum involving representatives from the municipalities in the region, there are active discussions and plans to advance standards for cycling facilities which suit a large segment of our population which is interested in cycling, but concerned.

We appreciate the time you have spent in creating this commentary and hope that understanding some of the context and forthcoming developments is helpful. It is important for the walking and cycling communities to focus their advocacy on projects which are important to them, and advance the realization of those projects realized. It took years of dreaming and planning to get the CVG to the present point. We consider it a work in progress.

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By: JoeAverage https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/#comment-357 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:58:59 +0000 https://averagejoecyclist.com/?p=825#comment-357 In reply to Bill Barilko.

Wow, never thought of all that. Good points. As I always say, I live and learn by getting other people’s opinions. Thanks for sharing the wisdom, Bill :)

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By: Bill Barilko https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/#comment-356 Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:49:39 +0000 https://averagejoecyclist.com/?p=825#comment-356 Putting lights along the Brunette River route would be both foolish and selfish.

Selfish to think that human needs come before those of the Salmon Smolts that live in the stream and the few animals who still live in the area-Raccoons/Coyotes/Squirrels and the like.

Foolish to think it would all stop with lights-next someone would want a paved trail, then access for god alone knows what civilised ‘convenience’.

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By: JoeAverage https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/#comment-318 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:59:51 +0000 https://averagejoecyclist.com/?p=825#comment-318 In reply to Graeme.

Yeah, Brennan also brought that one up, and a couple of other people as well. It seems like it’s pretty dangerous.

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By: Graeme https://averagejoecyclist.com/central-valley-greenway-review/#comment-317 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 19:44:49 +0000 https://averagejoecyclist.com/?p=825#comment-317 In reply to Brennan Anstey.

I forgot about McBride/Columbia. You definitely have to watch the right-turners here!

I usually go half a block up Cumberland to the lane behind the church. It’s a very short distance to climb, and the lane is perfectly safe. (Do watch for turners off the Brunette wye when coming down the hill on the north end, however.)

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